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Transmission fluid spec? WSS-M2C200-D2 vs. WSD-M2C200-D2?

My new 2014 FiST manuals note the transmission requires dual-clutch XT-11-QDC meeting specification WSS-M2C200-D2. The oil I find online, and at the Ford dealer notes it meets specification WSD-M2C200-D2. The Ford chemical website notes XT-11-QDC meets specification WSS-M2C200-D2.
Is WSS the same as WSD? Can WSD be used in a car that «requires» spec WSS? What’s the difference.
Thanks!

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45 posts · Joined 2014

They are not the same oil. WSD is a 75W90 while WSS is a 75W80. There may be other technical differences as well but the only source I could find to download the techie stuff wants $10. We have discussed gearbox oil in other threads. The only oil that meets specs in the US is the Motorcraft XT-11-QDC. Castrol offers an approved oil outside the US but has no plans to import it here.

MikeL77 Discussion starter
100 posts · Joined 2014

A local Ford garage only has the WSD prefix in stock, and they don’t know how to get the WSS prefix oil. It may be that all new XT-11-QDC comes as WSS. On the official Ford Chemical and Lubricant website, there is only WSS listed, and WSD does not exist from what I can find. My guess is though, you go to a Ford dealer and they are going to put the heavier weight transmission fluid in your car where it actually «requires» the lighter weight.

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1951 Jaguar XK120
1962 356B T6 Porsche Notchback Coupe
1965 Corvette 365 HP 327 C.I.
1988 BMW 325is (most fun car I have ever driven (along with my FiST))
1997 BMW E36 M3- Bilstein PSS9 Coil over suspension, Turner sway bars, camber plates, Rogue Engineering, etc. etc. etc.
2014 Ford Fiesta ST — what a riot!
1988 535i BMW — Dutch Oven Racing — 24 Hours of LeMons

The correct oil for the MMT6 6-speed box is.

According to Haynes and ford the spec should be WSS-M2C200-C for the Mondeo — but this includes both MTX75 and MMT6 gearboxes.

However the spec for the MMT6 on the MK4 mondeo is given as WSS-M2C200-D2 (they still specify WSS-M2C200-C for the MTX-75, however)

The last time I changed gbox oil with ford WSS-M2C200-C (@100k miles) I saw no improvement in stiff gear changes from cold. Now, 50,000 miles later its time for another gbox oil change.

If I should use WSS-M2C200-C then I would get Castrol Syntrans Multivehicle 75W-85
Or if I should use WSS-M2C200-D2 then I would get Castrol Syntrans FE 75W.

The Multivehicle oil is only stated to be a GL-3, Gl-4 oil but it is Polyalphaolefine based (see here) so should meet the standard.

Whereas The FE oil is stated to meet WSS-M2C200-D2 (see here) and it looks to be of lower density and viscosity (runnier).

At the moment I am tempted by the Castrol Syntrans FE 75W due to the extra additives and the fact that ford recommend it in the MK4. I for one can’t think how the MMT6 box in the mk3 could be so fundamentally different that a more vicious oil could be required?

Anyone care to share? I am no expert apart from what I have found above.

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New to the forum — Transmission fluid questions

Hi — New to the forum. I recently bought a 2014 Focus S to use as a daily driver. I have about 1500 miles on the car now, and have really been enjoying it. It’s pretty fun to drive, especially with the 5-speed manual.

The manual transmission is what brings me here today, more specifically, the fluid inside of it. I am one to follow a strict maintenance schedule, and part of that maintenance schedule for me is changing out fluids after an initial break in period. With 1500 miles on the car, I will be doing an engine oil change this weekend (Motorcraft oil and filter), and planned on doing the gearbox fluid at about 2500 miles.

I understand that the fluid is expensive for this gearbox, but I will spend it for the peace of mind. My dilemma comes from the specification for this fluid. In the owners manual, it states that for the Manual Transmission, Motorcraft Full Synthetic Dual Clutch Manual Transmission Fluid (Ford Part Number: BOT350-M3 / For Spec: WSS-M2C200-D2) is to be used. However, on the most recent Motorcraft Transmission Fluid Chart, it states that for 2012+ the MTX75 is to us DTC (Dual Clutch Transmission Fluid (Ford Part Number XT-11-QDC / For Spec WSD-M2C200-D2). Same specification, different part number.

My thoughts are that the XT-11-QDC is available on Amazon, and I cannot find the BOT350, so as long as the specification is met, I should be good. I just want to be sure I am putting the correct fluid in the ‘box. I also wonder why the switch from the XT-M5-QS that was in the MTX75 since 1995?

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded post, I just wonder if anyone has any insight on this.

50838 posts · Joined 2008

Updated Spec. & part # is my guess on the MTX-75.

WSD-M2C200-C was the spec. for the XT-M5-QS in my ’04 MTX-75.

Don’t know about that BOT350-M3, what does that chart show for the DCT?

Best answer might come from the date of the chart you’re referring to, those are published to show the current recommendations of Fluids avail. from Ford.

FWIW — same spec. doesn’t mean exactly the same fluid, many from various mfrs. may meet the spec. without being anywhere near «identical».

Hadn’t seen the question come up because of the LONG change interval on either version.

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KASarich Discussion starter
8 posts · Joined 2014

I’ve attached the pdf of the fluid spec sheet, printed 06/2013.

DCT is not shown on the chart because it is for manual transmission only, but the 2014 owners manual states that Motorcraft Dual Clutch Transmission Fluid (Ford Part = Number XT-11-QDC / Ford Specification = Not Given).

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So what does your manual actually state?

One post says «BOT 350 — M3», the other XT-11-QDC.

The XT-11 is what the chart calls for, that’s likely correct.

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KASarich Discussion starter
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My owners manual says BOT 350 — M3 (Ford Spec. WSS-M2C200-D2) is to be used for the manual ‘box, and XT-11-QDC is to be used for the Auto (DTC), which on the fluid chart I posted is also Ford Spec WSS-M2C200-D2, the chart which says XT-11-QDC is to be used for the manual, hence the confusion.

Upon some more research, it appears that the BOT 350 — M3 is a Castrol gear oil, and I found it come up as a Volvo transaxle fluid as well as a Fiat transaxle fluid. My though is that perhaps this is a European market fluid which meets the spec, which would make sense to me since the MTX75 is made in Germany. I’m going to do a little more digging and see if XT-11-QDC is Ford’s part number for BOT 350 — M3. A DTC is basically an automated manual, so it makes sense that the XT-11-QDC is called for on the specification sheet.

Man, this is quite confusing. I just want to put the correct oil in my gearbox when I do the service.

50838 posts · Joined 2008

Moved to the MkIII section.

Odd to have that spec. in the manual, moved it here for more looks from MkIII owners & our Ford Rep.

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4518 posts · Joined 2011

Back when I owned a new Contour SVT I changed the MTX-75 tranny fluid early on. Yes the first drain was FULL of fine metallic particles.
I was suprised.
That was back when i was young. Now I am just too old and not interested in making the tranny last a milllion miles. Many hundred thousand will do.

401 posts · Joined 2011

Straight from the Ford Focus service manual.

Motorcraft® Dual Clutch Transmission Fluid XT-11-QDC, spec WSS-M2C200-D2

You will need 2.01 qt (1.9L) of fluid, filled to anywhere between 0 and 5mm below the fill plug hole.

369 posts · Joined 2013
For a mtx75? What in the world does dct fluid have to do with the tried and tested?
#teamdct
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401 posts · Joined 2011
Yes, for the MTX75. It’s also the same fluid recommended in the ST’s 6 speed, and the DCT.
4518 posts · Joined 2011

True you could use nearly any transmission fluid in a MTX-75. But the Ford fluid is nicer in cold weather.
I used to use Mobil One Mercon spec before the honey Ford fluid was around in my 1999 Ford Contour SVT with the MTX-75 and never had any issues due to lubrication.
(I broke the case by blowing the diff right out of it.. but that was powershifting 1-2 not lub problem)

369 posts · Joined 2013

third printing owners manual.

Edit: ah! I see, true story. ST Transmission wise.

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I go by the factory service manual. the electronic version accessed through the Ford site (the most up-to-date version), and it lists what I did. XT-11-QDC. The spec of XT-11 is the same specification listed for the BOT350.

XT-11-QDC is also the same fluid spec’d for the new Mustangs with the MT82 6 speed. I guess if you want to hunt down BOT350 you can go ahead, but the same spec interchanges with XT-11-QDC which is available at any Ford dealer.

KASarich Discussion starter
8 posts · Joined 2014

OK everyone, I wanted to post back because I found the answer to this finally, so I want to post it here for anyone else that may need this information in the future.

As for my 2014 Owners Manual calling for BOT350 — M3 (Ford Spec. WSS-M2C200-D2) for the manual transmission (MTX75):

BOT350-M3 is what appears to be a European part number for the transmission fluid. I was able to find this fluid bottled for Fiat, and available at Chrysler dealers (although it is under a Chrysler part number, which I cannot recall at the moment). Also, I found that the fluid appears to be made by Castrol, and they call it Syntrans FE 75W, and it says right on the bottle that it meets Ford WSS-M2C200-D2. It is available on a few European parts sites, but by the time you pay shipping for it, it becomes quite expensive.

I believe that this Castrol fluid is available not only as the Chrysler part number for the Fiat (manual trans in the 500), but that it is also available as Ford Part Number XT-11-QDC (Ford Spec WSD-M2C200-D2) since Castrol says that this fluid is for both DCT as well as manual transmissions.

I have found the XT-11-QDC on Amazon, and that is what I am going to use when I change the fluid in my transmission after what I deem to be an acceptable break-in period; probably around 5,000 miles since I think that 2,500 is a little too soon for it. This fluid is expensive (~ $30 a quart [ohcrap]), but being as I will only change it every 50,000 miles after my initial break-in change, this is no big deal. I have an old Diesel Mercedes as my hobby car, so paying a ridiculous amount of money for something for a car is just par for the course for me.

I hope this information is useful to my fellow Focus drivers, and may our cars last for many, many miles.

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